(6th Installation of Canonization of St. Pius X at Catholic Pictures)
“Having set our minds to remove everything that may in some way offend the Divine Majesty, We resolve to punish, above all and without indulgence, those things which, by the authority of the Sacred Scriptures or by most grievous examples, are most repugnant to God and elicit His wrath; that is, negligence in divine worship, ruinous simony, the crime of blasphemy, and the execrable libidinous vice against nature. For which faults peoples and nations are scourged by God, according to His just condemnation, with catastrophes, wars, famine and plagues. . . . Let the judges know that, if even after this, Our Constitution, they are negligent in punishing these crimes, they will be guilty of them at Divine Judgment and will also incur Our indignation. . . . If someone commits that nefarious crime against nature that caused divine wrath to be unleashed against the children of iniquity, he will be given over to the secular arm for punishment; and if he is a cleric, he will be subject to analogous punishment after having been stripped of all his degrees [of ecclesiastical dignity].” (St. Pius V in article about teaching of Church against Sodomy)
Sodomite Parade in front of St. John Lateran!:
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination. . . . Defile not yourselves with any of these things with which all the nations have been defiled, which I will cast out before you, and with which the land is defiled: the abominations of which I will visit, that it may vomit out its inhabitants. . . . Beware then, lest in like manner, it vomit you also out, if you do the like things, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. Every soul that shall commit any of these abominations, shall perish from the midst of his people. . . . I am the Lord your God.” (Levi 18:22-30)
Rabbis wearing Sackcloth during protest against a Sodomite parade in Jerusalem. Oh Jerusalem!
What precipatated this Post?:
Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
“As far as I’m concerned there is no argument any more – if you are gay, you are born gay,” he said.
The amygdala, he said, was important because of its role in “orientating”, or directing, the rest of the brain in response to an emotional stimulus – be it during the “fight or flight” response, or the presence of a potential mate. (Article on “Gay Brain”)
Response: So what? Every Human Being on this planet is attracted to some form of Sin. Whether or not there is a physical phenomenon to explain this is irrelevant. Known Example: Men with high Testostorone levels tend to exhibit higher levels of promiscuity, and violence. Does that decrease the culpability of their actions? If so, then we would need to release most of the prison population. I would not be suprised in the coming years if science eventually finds physical “proofs” for “voilence brain wrinkles”, or “greed genes”, etc.. Why so? Since when does Original Sin effect only the soul of man? Is not the body also groaning under sin? You have the answer every time you pass by a cemetary, hospital, or dentist office.
Homosexuals want their sin to be exempt, they want us to say their sin is not sin. They want us to call evil good. They have organized themselves, and are forcing Society to go along with it. Why don’t all pick-pockets get organized, and campaign against “anti-Thieve” sentiments. Create something called “Theiveaphobia”, and lambast all who disagree as biogots, hate-mongers, etc. We’ll have an annual “Thief Pride Parade” down 5th Avenue!
Even if all Humanity lost it’s mind and it’s morals and acquiesced to the “normalization” of Sodomy it would still be Objectively wrong. Example: Imagine if all men in the world held hands , and simultaneously screamed out “Homosexuality is normal”, would it make it so? How about if they screamed out “The sky is green, and there are 2 Suns in the sky!”, would it change anything? We understand the word Objectively to be the view of God, right? He is the Only One who’s “opinion” matters. His “opinion” is reality, it’s what we live in. And, we know He considers this particular sin to be an Abomination. We are not doing the folks who suffer with same-sex attraction any favours by going along with the Organized Homosexual aganda. We’re just greasing the skids into The Exterior Darkness.
Great post… on deaf ears I’m afraid. At least that has been my experience. There are people in the Church – even bishops – who think homosexuality is normative sexual behavior.
Thanks for the post – sometimes I honestly feel as if I’m the only one who still believes it is a sin.
Fr. Thomas Hopko, former Dean of St. Vladimir’s Seminary and one of the foremost theologians in the English speaking part of the Orthodox world has written extensively on this subject, including a book. It is a very pastoral but also Orthodox approach to the affliction of same sex attraction. In a nut shell you are exactly correct that the issue is not whether we have a biological predisposition to certain forms of behavior. The issue is whether the behavior is moral. In this sense we need to remember that we are all icons and our lives must reflect this. Our passions may vary from persons to person but we all have them. And we are all called to constant battle against them. I commend to you a brief but excellent essay by Fr. Hopko here.
http://tinyurl.com/j65zs
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John
I’m curious, though, what’s going on with the supposed ‘gay bomb’ that the U.S. Air Force devised. How does this work? Do you know anything about this? Isn’t this a grave sin?
Terry, I read your posts on this issue,and it does seem that way, in your com-box at least. Not to mention well-known Catholic bloggers swaying on this issue. I don’t know what the problem is with folks. I think the culture has just completely buckled in the face of the propaganda. Men in the Church have become tame, they think all is OK. In their eyes, God now only has 1 arm, Mercy, the other one, Justice, has become whithered. They have made the Omnipotent Father into the Doting Grandfather. Grandpa wouldn’t punish!
Ad Orientem: Thank you for the link. Exactly! We all have to fight the evil within us, and remake ourselves (whatever the sins may be). If we get rid of this, then the Moral life of Christianity is just words. The War would be over.
Also, if I remember correctly, wasn’t there an Orthodox Saint who evidently had homosexual tendencies, but who overcame them? If not, I apologize in advance, but I swear I read an article on him somewhere on the Internet!
MJ: I have never heard of a “Gay Bomb”. Does it make people gay, or only targets “gays”? 🙂 What does it do when it detonates?, Play that crappy club music to compel the gay troops to dance? I’m sorry if I am joking around, but I honestly never heard of it.
wow, I’m stunned.
I read your blog because it is sometimes thoughful and interesting. today you have gone over the top.
You are a bigot. I’m sorry for you. Your position is not even the position of the Catholic Church who teaches us to love everyone, as Jesus did. Your name-calling is ridiculous and hurtful. You are sad.
Anonymous,
Stunned? A bigot? I suggest you re-read Leviticus and then reacquaint yourself with the first chapter of Romans. I’m assuming you’ll feel St. Paul was “a bigot” as well.
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20* Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21* for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23* and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. 29 They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.”
Anon: What bigotry? Is this not what the Church teaches? You’re the sad one here friend, you let sweet words overtake God’s Word.
Who says I don’t love them? I have had quite a few gay co-workers, some of whom became great friends. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I am not attacking the individual who Faithfully suffers through this, I am attacking the “gay rights movement” that wants to brainwash us into calling evil good. Evidently, they have been very successful Anon. Sad indeed.
I recommend you read the Gospels, and tell me if Christ fits the mold of the overly-indulgent, peace-love Rabbi you seem to worship. Christ said: “Go and Sin no more”, not “do what you feel like, and I’ll be cool with that too”. The Old Testament stands, He was with the Father when those prohibitions came down, nothing has changed, only man is now more Overtly rebellious.
As far as being ” intolerant” is concerned here is a link to a site showing different cases of the “Homo-Agenda” strangling speech in the name of their Satanic cause: http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/homosexual-hate-speech
Ken,
I believe Hieromonk. Seraphim Rose of blessed memory may be who you are thinking of. He has not been formally glorified (our term for canonized) yet. But he is informally venerated by many Orthodox Christians as a saint. In his youth he fell into a bohemian lifestyle and was something of a hedonist. Ironically it was his homosexual lover who introduced him to the Orthodox Church. His spiritual father was St. John Maximovitch of San Francisco. Before being received into the Church I spent a weekend on retreat at the monastery he founded (St. Herman’s) and saw his grave. Later in life after he had attained a worldwide reputation for his sanctity as a monk he was asked by a visitor if he would care to describe his earlier life. Fr. Seraphim replied “I was in Hell.”
You can read a short biography of him here.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Seraphim_Rose
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John
Anonymous, why do you hide behind anonymity? Perhaps because that way you cannot be held accountable for your lack of Christian charity and your judgement of others? Be assured, God will hold you accountable and judge you.
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A predisposition to sin, any sin, does not excuse one from using the means God gives to overcome it. One born with an affliction has two choices: wallow in it and be filled with self-pity or overcome it and triumph to eternal life. It is a choice for hell or heaven. The grace is always there for heaven if we so choose.
The Church teaches us that homosexual activity is a sin just as she teaches us that any sexual activity outside marriage is a sin. Heterosexual people, as we can clearly observe, have a predisposition to sin sexually. It’s genetic. It’s for the preservation of the species. That does not make it okay or morally justifiable. All sex outside the marriage bond that is not open to and does not admit the possiblity of procreation is sinful regardless of one’s attraction. So, even if it is proven that persons with same sex attraction are genetically programmed and have no choice in the matter, that in no way changes the fact that all sex outside the marriage bond that is not open to and does not admit the possibility of procreation is always a moral evil.
But, we can never forget that all of us are sinners and some of us have committed greater sins than sex with those of the same gender. Whatever the sin someone may have committed, it is also a moral evil to judge another person. It is a direct violation of our Lord’s command and as such is always grave matter. We may judge the sin, but never the person who commits it
So, we can never condemn the person who sins, but we can condemn the sin, and we should do so. We must stand up for the truth, no matter how unpopular or how politically incorrect it may be. We must proclaim the truth “from the housetops” that all may hear. But we can never do so at the cost of human dignity. Thus we should never resort to name calling or prejudice. They accomplish nothing but enmity, spite, and closed hearts. Rather let the truth speak for itself. Proclaim it boldly and clearly that all may hear and understand. And along with proclaiming the truth, pray and make reparation. That is, afterall, what our Lord asked of us and it cannot fail.
Ad Orientem: Thank you, I believe is was Seraphim Rose I was thinking of.
Father: Wow, Thank you, you pretty much summed it all up perfectly.
Ken, great post! We need to speak out about this and you did it very well. I’m surprised that there are Catholic bloggers swaying on this issue. They must be marginal Catholics, then.
Anon, you have been brainwashed, just the way the gay agenda wishes you to be.
Fundamental moral theology, no? It has already been so explicitly stated in Holy Scriptures, and confirmed by so many eminent Church Fathers. It is either you believe that it is a sin, or you are not Christian.
We need more people like you, but unfortunately, people believing that sodomy is a sin crying out to Heaven for vengeance are getting fewer and fewer each day… Even in conservative Asian cultures. I find myself seeing these homosexual couples more often as I walk down the streets of Singapore.
It appears that the governments have been brainwashed into following with the agenda of these disoriented people by explicitly, or implicitly, endorsing homosexuality. True, we should hate the sin and love the sinner. But sometimes, by loving the sinner, instead of being an act of charity, it is an act of endorsement of sin.
Anonymous, would you make friends with a psychomaniac who continues to go around killing people and will not repent? For me, I wouldn’t – and more so for one who kills the holy purity of the immortal souls.
frankly with all the child abuse of the Catholic Church, your obsession with matters sexual is, at best, quaint and at worst hippocritical.
Wake up and join the 21st Century. If you continue with this hateful attitude, you will be sitting in your ancient rotting buildings, in your fabulous damask but tattered vestments doing your little “ad orientem” worshiping ALL BY YOURSELF.
you are making the Church a caricature of itself.
Anon: Class act, your words speak volumes about your mindset. The “sex scandal” you refer to was commited by….Homosexual men! who just happened to like very young men. They hid behind the collar and ruined lives, and scandalized many right out of the Church. More reason to speak out against this Abomination. If people leave the Church for being against Sin, they never took Christ seriously to begin with. Empty churches?, I don’t doubt it, many will fall away from the Church in the last days, so it might just happen. Not to worry, you will have your Idol “Tolerance” to console you. The “Prince of this World” put him forward as his latest general in the War.
I know I am on the right track with posts like this when perverts like you leave such comments. I never did a post on the Sodomite crime before (check the blog archives, so much for my “obsession”), perhaps I will make it a regular (monthly?) issue. Thanks Anon for providing me with some focus.
Ken — Maybe there will be an upcoming post on Father Seraphim Rose?
And when I posted this link and photograph on our site, do you know that the library “filtered” out the photograph of Satan? So says my husband, who was doing some research there. And speaking of “Tom,” here’s one of his posts appropriately listed on this day of “Juneteenth.”
http://www.fightingirishthomas.net/2008/05/from-civil-war-to-civil-unions-our.html
http://cathlete.net
Perhaps, I would have to find out more about him.
Filtered out the picture? Well the name of the pic is “Lucifer19”, so their filters might have picked up on that.
I do think genetic pre-disposition is an issue.
I am a little tired to explain but will post later.
I am also not sure that it is proven that homosexuality is genetic (or at least all genetic).
I like your blog more and more, Ken. I personally do not believe in any genetic predisposition, different brains and this kind of stories. They are stories.
Please watch all 13 chapters, can u?
Respectfully in christ,
roberto
Roberto, friend, I don’t want to watch it, I just saw a little clip of it, I get what it is.
It changes nothing. If I was God, I’d be OK with everything, even if I found them repulsive, I’d be a live and let live God, a real easy-going guy. But, I’m not, He Is, and He’s not changing His mind. As His will should be our will, what he hates in us, we hate in us (all sins, not just Sodomy).
This post was not an “attack” on the individual homosexual, even if they fall and struggle. It was against those who say “It is no sin”, or worse yet the “gay Cultural machine” who are forcing us the agree with them, or be verbally abused, or go to jail (happening in Canada).
It behooves homosexuals nothing to have society “absolve” them of their wickedness. It creates a false sense of security, but eventually all will fall before Him to be judged. “Because the Bible Tells Me So?” (the name of the youtube clip), why, yes indeed. Along with the Church, Tradition, and Human Reason. Homosexuality makes no sense, there’s no life in it, no love. Love begets, it’s what the Universe is predicated on. No Life=No Love (or vice-versa).
Wake up friend, this is a bad ideology you’ve bitten into. Our opinions are meaningless.
(And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel. Mark 1:15)
http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=1&l=15&f=s#x
Peace be with you, The video if u can watch it in its entarely holds what many, including me believe may reflect a valid approch to the understanding of who we are as sexual animals. Our God also speaks truth with the lenguage of science. Can you listen to it? Belive it or not I found NO conflict between the traditional cathilic rational, antrpoligical and moral understanding of sex, sin and marriage and two free human adults of the same sexual orientation. Creation is cleary complex, not evruthing is black and white.
peace be withu again.
Roberto,
We are not “sexual animals”. We are creations of God made in his likeness. The current drive in society to define us by our sexuality is contrary to the Church’s teaching and, in my opinion ant-Christ. It is quite clear through Tradition, the Scriptures that homosexual sex and any sex outside of marriage (which is only between a man and a woman) is a sin. No psycho-doublespeak will change that.
I have seen the movie you mention and it is in no way refelcrtice of the Church’s teaching on sex and sexuality. Go read JP II’s The Theology of the Body.
Many homosexual men have had more female sexual partners than the average straight man.. What does this tell you about the truth of the science of homosexuality? Sexual perverts will look to any way to arouse themself and be happy to be labelled as “normal”. Look at the ancient greeks and their little male lovers. It was considered normal and even righteous to have a young boy to sodomize in those times. People are convoluted by their rationale and sociological norms. It is another study that many people who have molested children are also reported to have had homosexual encounters. When will people wake up to this abomination and see the truth. I like the analogy, of the a thief. Peopel will soon cry out against bigotry against klepto, thieves and murderers. After all its just in their genes and they should not be looked down on for who they are.
Even intersex–who are both male and female–when coupled MIGHT LOOK SAME-SEX BUT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SAME-SEX TYPE SEX; ALL must have opposite-sex SEX WITH THE MARRIAGE PARTNER…NOT “WELL, I AM INTERSEX SO I ‘COUNT’ AS A WOMAN AND SO YOU CAN USE MY MALE ORIFICE…WITH YOUR MALE ORGAN. THERE IS NO “FUDGING IT”… EVERYONE IS HELD BY THE SAME STANDARD… And I do not mean to sound vulgar… I TELL YOU: That pun was one chosen by the LORD AND NOT ME…<3+W