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November 16, 2007 by ken88

Did you know? That JPII was given a Papal Tiara by the Hungarians in 1981? Kind of a mix between the older ones, and Paul VI’s. Too bad he didn’t wear it! (Big hat tip to Trad Cath83). Also: More did you know?

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on November 16, 2007 at 7:57 pm Mogrim

I didn’t know about it. Anyway he couldn’t wear it, because he had not been coronated. And he didn’t want. And I suppose that in near future noone will.
on November 16, 2007 at 8:04 pm ken88

Maybe a few popes down the line might re-introduce the Tiara.
on November 16, 2007 at 10:05 pm latinmass1983

Well, few people seemed to have known about it. I myself did not know it until I received the picture from a friend (from Milano) a few days ago.

My rubrical mentor (very knowledgeable about everything) did not know about this, either. It is very odd that something like this went unnoticed in this modern world of media and technology.

It also seemed not a good idea that the Pope did not put it on once as a token of appreciation for the Hungarian people. We have to remember that it was in Hungary where a replica of the “Confessio” was made so that Eugenio Pacelli could use it to say Mass during the Eucharistic Congress there (Budapest).

Well, one day a Pope will use the Tiara again. We can be sure of that!
on November 16, 2007 at 10:57 pm ken88

Yeah, I was suprised I never heard about it before you mentioned it today.
on November 17, 2007 at 10:21 pm Daniel

I actually like it! It’s much of an improvement from the horrendous bullet.
on November 18, 2007 at 12:48 am latinmass1983

Yes, it is an improvement, Daniel!

I personally think, though, that the shape of this Tiara was modelled on the one given to Paul VI by the people of Milan. You can see that in the shape of this Tiara.

However, as more ornate as this Tiara looks, it also seems to be less expensive and not as “professionally” done as the other one. In addition, it seems to be lighter – some people say that Paul’s Tiara was *very* heavy.

On the very bright side, this Tiara does have the three crowns more accentuated than the Tiara of Paul VI, which gives it a much more traditional touch than anything else.
on November 18, 2007 at 7:00 am thisisenzo

Not only shall we see a Pope wear a crown, but it is offensive that none have worn one.

It is as offensive as a mother who denies her child her breast because she’s ashamed of her nakedness.

No churchman has the right to deny the Family of God on Earth, the Church, the blessings of her traditions, of her forms, and of her song.

If they suspend this or that action for this or that time… that is one thing.

But to allow for the disintegration of the very architecture of our psyche as Catholics is basically to allow for heresy to live and fester within the hearts of believers, or potential believers.

What true king would dare not to wear the symbols of his office?

Is it an omen? Is it an admittal, this omission? Is it perhaps a sign from God Himself, disguised by the cowardice of a fallen generation?
on November 19, 2007 at 3:40 am B. Rickman

I am a first time visitor to this site and came here by way of Fr. Z’s blog WDTPRS.

I too did not know that JPII had been given a tiara. He could have worn it in the presents of those who have it to him….at least for a moment and as a tribute to the folk who spent money and time to make the thing!

I to am, as a convert, angry at times, that JPII and Benedict have both turned their back on this most ancient of traditons! If ever there was a time to coronate a pope it is NOW! If for no other reason than to show clearly, Christ’s leadership through him and that he is a soverign on the earth.

Modern man needs a sign of authority. I think the coronations are over for the papacy though. Reason being, in my mind, they don’t want to be seen as kings for political reasons. They don’t want heads of state, especially Catholic ones, coming to Rome to see “the king of Christendom”. If a Catholic president came to Rome people would wonder..”does the president’s allegence belong to America or the pope?”

Image is everthing and that, in my mind is why there may never be another papal coronation.

bjr
on November 19, 2007 at 6:18 am thisisenzo

Rickman shows us, I blieve, how we should constantly remind ourselves of the Holy Spirit’s power — here is a convert whose zeal and orthodoxy is more rooted than many if not most who were ‘born’ in the Faith… but brother Rickman, it’s saddening to think that you should discourage yourself, and appease your zeal to the demands of an anti-Christian world…

The Crown upon a Pope’s head, brother Rickman, is not only something pretty, something grand, or something we should wish to see. It is an ontological reality…

To say a Pope shall never again wear a crown, is to say that the World shall never see either the Reign of a Christian Pope, or that the Earth shall never again see a Christendom.

The Pope wears a crown because he IS a King, he is Thee King’s King. His office is exalted above all others, and he is in fact the arbitor and judge of ALL matters Spiritual, because he acts in the person and the stead of Christ (Rex Regum, et Dominum Dominantium).

He wears a crown because the Nazarene wore a crown, both in scorn and shame, and in Glory.

You should not only hope and pray, but be confident that a time shall come when not only the Church is loved by the multitudes, and her doctrine is revered, but that the Person of the Vicar of Christ is loved and respected. If there were a Catholic ruler upon the Earth, King, President, or Prince, he would be honoured that his Father, the Pope, should too wear a Crown.

The Coronation of the Pope is a joy for all, for it establishes the Presence of God on Earth, and this indeed,

is a celebration for All.
on November 20, 2007 at 2:33 am martial

Why not petition the holy father to again use the tiara? I’m sure we could get a sufficient amount of names?
on November 20, 2007 at 3:07 am ken88

Martial, I doubt B16 would be the one. Considering he took off the Tiara from the coat.
on November 20, 2007 at 3:34 am Al

JPII had recieved a tiara? Where did he hide it all these years?? Hopefully, if someone presents Benedict XVI with his very own tiara, hopefully, he won’t tuck it away somewhere. As for his coat of arms, His Holiness doesn’t seem the least bit offended with alternate (more correct) representations of his shield with the traditional tiara instead of that striped miter.
on November 22, 2007 at 10:15 pm thisisenzo

hmm… I’m really surprised that as Catholics, so many of us focus on the externals…

If someone like the present or past pope put a tiara on their head, it would be meaningless…

Something as powerful a symbol as the Tiara is emblematic of a Spirit — like a government that would actually build beautiful public buildings.

It bespeaks of the culture surrounding the Pontiff, his own personal convictions, his authentically and orthodox Catholic spirit…

The Tiara itself is not the point at all. It’s what it symbolizes. And THAT is what is hated.

It’s hated, quite obviously, by the past few popes — NOT John 23, interestingly enough — and by myriad prelates: the Mahoneys and Kaspers of the ‘ecclesial’ world.

The Tiara represents the supreme office of the Pope as Vicar of Christ, as pre-eminent, sovereign, legislator, judge, executor of Law, whose word is supreme not ONLY upon the Earth, but binding as a condition to Heaven itself: SUCH is the power and sublime nature of the Office…. it is a smack in the face to everthing the modern world stands for: it knocks down Egalitarianism in one grand gesture, it mocks the vainglory of the Lay States, with their rape and their pillaging, it scoffs at any notion of “other religions” and their so called dignity, and reminds us that the Church is fully sufficient and equipped for Salvation.

It is a grossly splendid Catholic symbol, that brings joy to the Faithful, and Peace to the humble…

And this is what they cannot, and will not accept.

I believe we will know a Pope Wears a Tiara long before he puts one on…

As one born in 1979, hopefully I shall live to see that day.
on November 23, 2007 at 10:51 pm ken88

John: I personally don’t make such a big deal out of it, I would like it to come back (I don’t think it will, at least not the next 20-years). I think the Pope has bigger things to worry about right now, with the 40 years of Papal malfeasence we seem to be coming out of. Pope Benedict seems to realize this, and things are starting to change for the positive. God Bless B16.

Now, I don’t think there is a need to call folks “so-called Catholics” because they want things back.

Remember the symbolism of the Tri-regnum (Priest, Prophet, King) these are Christ’s designations, but not being here visually, his Vicar is afforded the “trappings”. When He comes back, the Pope lays it at His Feet. It’s Christ’s crown (at least that how I always saw it).

There is a significance to it, and it certainly was not “inappropriate”, especially considering how long it was a symbol of the Papacy.
on November 27, 2007 at 8:08 pm latinmass1983

John,

This Tiara has something to do with Royalty, yes, because the Pope was (and still is) a King. This is why also the Cardinals are (even today) considered and treated as Princes (of the Church). So much so, that according to Protocol, Cardinals come before Princes (not immediate heirs to the throne) and they might even come before the Prince heir to the throne (although I’m a little unsure).

In addition to that, the Church added spiritual meaning to the Tiara and that became more than any temporal meaning that it might have had. Way after the Italian government stole the Papal States (Patrimony of St. Peter) from the Church, the Tiara was still used – and it was due to the spiritual meaning that it had and still has.

When Paul VI gave his away, he still -officialy- expected his predecessors to be crowned. The idea of kings and royalty is not anything old… they still exist (even if they are opaqued or silenced). And this is not only a temporal idea of royalty, but spiritual things are also modelled on the idea of hierarchies and ranks. Also, in the East, Bishops still use Mitres that resemble a crown… why don’t you tell them to get rid of them?
on February 9, 2009 at 11:48 am Hailey

nice article about the unknown papal tiara of John Paul II.
for sure, after seeing those pix from the last coronation ceremony of Paul VI, I feel so sad, bcoz after him, there are no more coronation ceremony for new pope.
I always want to see the richness of the Catholic liturgical tradition, but sadly after Vatican II, perhaps I won’t be able to see all this (even for the Traditional Latin Mass,since my diocese does not have any priest who knows Latin… ). I was born in Vatican II era and surely it will be hard to give back those beautiful traditions back immediately, but what we can do is to re-introduce this richness, little by little, into the life of the Catholic faithfuls today, perhaps by encouraging more the usage of Latin hymns and part of the Mass (ie Mass of Paul VI)…

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