I’m not a big conspiracy theorist. But I really do think that there was a conspiracy to keep such pictures like these of our late Holy Father out of the public eye and erase traditional Catholicism from memory. Think about how also there has to be quite a bit of video from papal ceremonies of the past but there are only a few scraps (albeit beautiful) on YouTube. If Vatican Television or RAI compiled sets of the Coronations and Masses of past Popes, early video of Canonizations, footage of Vatican II, etc. it would sell like hot cakes and be of enormous benefit for the faithful.
I was thinking the same thing the other day. There was a show on EWTN, and they showed a small clip of John XXIII walking off of the sedia and walking to the Altar, with the Tiara and the old vestments. It looked so phenominal, but people don’t see much of it anymore. Even on youtube, there’s really not much of the “old stuff”.
I agree w/ Fr. Anon. When I was in RCIA JPII passed away. So I was not familar with his life too much. At the time the only thing I every saw of him in the media, and was lead to believe by *cough* certian Franciscans *cough cough* was that he was very anti-traditional and shunned all the liturgical “pomp”.
Its nice to see these photos out there to combat that image.
Yeah, but, notice in all those pictures he wasn’t Pope. There are basically two pictures like those from his papacy. Other than that, there is nothing to suggest he was very traditional in regards to liturgy.
Well you can thank Card. Marini for the lack of “trad” vestments during his Papacy. We saw BXVI wearing the same ugly stuff when he was first elected. But obviously JPII had the power to get rid of him at anytime but didnt, thats the disapointing thing
TJB: Yes indeed it seems the 1st Marini was the guy who pushed ugly vestments on JPII, and the first few years of B16’s pontificate. But, then again, neither one seemed to have felt compelled to over-rule him. Now, B16 seems to have a man closer to his own Liturgical ideals. Hopefully, things will continue to get more “regal”. (that new pallium would go well with the fanon! imho)
However, the purpose of the Liturgy is the Worship, and Adoration of God by His Church. The Church always laid a paramount importance to Her Liturgy. The Eucharist Source and Summit of the Faith? Well then we should act/dress/pray/build churches/do music/vestments…..etc.. the best we can to accomodate such an Event.
Liturgy is the End, in the Apocalypse of St. John it seems as if all of Eternity in Heaven is a sort of Liturgical Worship.
I am devouted Traditionalist and I long to see the Pope wearing tiara again, however, I rather feel a TINY bit of discomfort seeing old pictures of Popes sitting of the big papal throne and carried around with massive folding feathered fans weaving to and fro above their heads – I honestly prefer the Pope standing on his balcony and weaving to the faithful or being driven around St Peters Sq on his papamobile while standing there on his own feet. In the past during Papal audience, the proper way of greeting the Pope was kissing his shoe. He IS a vicar of Christ but also a human being. I am more comfortable with having Holy Father more closer to the faithful and in more ordinary way. I cannot imagine Jesus sitting on the papal throne with these massive folding fans above his head sticking out his shoe to be kissed. Please correct me if my feelings are in any way improper.
Jay, if that’s how you feel. But then again I could picture Christ sitting in an even bigger Throne than the papal, with angels ministering. And I can see people kissing his feet when they reach the Goal, and He Who made it possible.
As far as the old papal regalia, believe it or not, I am not so attached to it. The reason I bring it up alot in the pictures, is because I just don’t like people denigrating what was the norm in the Church for so long. I’m not saying we have to “go back or we’re wrong”, I just don’t like progressives saying how bad the “bad old days” were. Just trying to keep things out of the memory hole.
I think some of the Papal regalia should be brought back. B16 is doing some. The kissing the slipper thing? No, that can stay in the past. I don’t even like too much hand-kissing at the TLM!
Ken, you are absolutely right, this is Christ who sits on the beautiful throne, true God and true man. I feel exactly the same. And as I said, it is only my feeling and really tiny one. You do a great job with all these extremely lovely vintage pictures, they help younger generation to see how it was before. I hope it will all return one day. Once again, your job on the blog is a good apostolate to propagate tradition of the Catholic Church. May God bless even more your efforts and may the Holy Ghost always leads you.