I guess that since the U.S. Catholic Church failed to convert Anglo-Saxon America, they have had to retort to promoting Latinamerican inmigration into the United States, in the hope that once the US. becomes Latin, they will fall under the power of the Catholic Church.
We Catholics have no interest in seeing the USA fall under the power of the Catholic Church. We have every interest, hope and desire the Catholic Church may pastorally serve the people of our nation, minister the sacraments to them and bring them to the fullness of life in Christ.
Humboldt: We have half of Mexico living here, and most are not Catholic, on the contrary, many have fallen into very anti-Catholic slap-happy “pentecostalism/evangelicism”. I have seen very few Mexicans attending Mass (In NYC). The American Bishops have pegged themselves to another stupid ideology that will make things worse.
“Fall under the power”, seems so negative Katherine. Kinda sounds like a 19th century Protestant minister.
One of the reasons “half of Mexico is living here” is because even before the increase in immigration there were people of Mexican descent already in this country.
Let us remember that great part of the southern states of this nation was *stolen* from Mexico… sort of what happened with the Papal States, except that in this case it was not “sacrilege,” since those lands were not part of the Patrimony of St. Peter. If the Pope was allowed to feel offended and be a “prisoner,”…
Even to this day, I’m almost certain, official papers in those states say that Spanish was going to be taught in those territories – did not happen, of course, but they felt that guilty that on paper they had to accept certain things. Many places in those territories still bear Spanish names, etc… Some things cannot be hidden nor denied.
Another reason, is that the Church in the U.S. has opted to become a social institution before everything else. I do not fully agree with this because it leads the American bishops to disregard other things that are as, or may be more, important than immigration.
Kat: We, Catholics, do have interest in seeing, not only the U.S., but other nations as Catholic nations… true Catholic nations. Not that the Church should become extremely involved in politics, but it should be recognized as the Teacher of morals and of the True Faith. This has always been the Church’s view and claim, even after Vat. II – at least officially (“subsists in” even when misused or mistranslated still implies primacy over other churches).
Most of Mexico living here and in Mexico are Catholic.
I live in Chicago and have travelled to Mexico many times.
In fact, in Mexico they sometimes (which is not right) chase Protestants out of villages.
In Chicago during Christmas, the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Novenas to the Immaculate Conception, Posadas–were all packed with people, filled completely.
There is a great deal of people and a great deal of faith–much love and devotion for the Pope especially the last one and incredible devotion to the Blessed Mother especially in the guise of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
There are some conversions to Pentecostalism and other Evangelical Christian denominations but most are still Catholic.
Actually, in California, by the time of the American-Mexican War, most of the residents were American citizens. The Spanish just did not have as many people living in the land we took from Mexico back then. It wasn’t as much theirs physically, as much nominally. I’m not saying whether what the US did back then was right or wrong either, by the way.
And is that “Making America Catholic” papal order available for public reading online? I’m sure it’d be interesting, and I wonder if it would still be useful for today, since America has changed much since then.
The comment about 1/2 of Mexico was said with good-natured tongue-in-cheek, not as any kind of racism.
Michael, Andrew, maybe in California they have remined Catholic, but from what I see (I only know NY mind you), I see very few at Mass, but many are dressed up on Sunday(they are going to church somewhere). Judging by the large number of store-front churches (with Spanish-language on the awnings) around. Well…you get the picture.
I think just trying to make the U.S. Catholic by immigration is not what was meant. I think it was to convert the older “Anglo” stock to the Faith of their own anscestors.