Fostering Vocations
Guaranteeing “vocation shortages” for the next 30 years:
Fostering Vocations
November 26, 2007 by ken88
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altar girls. thanks alot John Paul ‘the Great’
It not a Catholicism already. It is muck from which it is necessary to struggle!
Yeah…what a disaster…girl altar boys!
Just call them serviettes!
How the heck are they ever going to phase them out on a parish level? Very difficult indeed. Once people feel entitled to something, taking it away it going to be a headache!
Well, a good and real M.C. -who knows his place and duty- would know how to get rid of them immediately. He would also know how to deal with priests who try to encourage or force girls/women to be in the sanctuary… but the N.O. does not have M.C.’s… it will be very hard to get rid of them in the N.O.
Altar girls are a total disaster. My son of course, along with many boys wants nothing to do with “girlie” work like serving the altar. I’d say its close to 80% girls at my parish, wearing flip-flops, chewing gum, hair all over the place….(sigh)
Yeah, that’s become the “norm”. If it’s a considered a “girl thing” boys will run away.
There is only one medicine for this illness: it is necessary to recollect, that the servant is the one who works, when there is no the clergyman. And the woman in True Church of the Christ – Catholic is the clergyman cannot! At on with in Russia it starts to extend, unfortunately… One old and good priest has told: – “the Woman at an altar is a display of a hell in Church.”
What’s nice about attending an SSPX chapel is that, as you know, only have the Latin Mass and so we only have male Acolytes. On Saturdays we have one or two boys serving at the low Mass and on Sundays we have 15 boys serve the altar at the high Mass. We have a lot of boys so they are on a weekly rotation (no girls – however, the older women teach the younger girls how to make the clothes and other things for the altar).
We also have server camps every month, where all the boys that serve spend all day Saturday practicing their singing the gregorian chant, theology classes, apologetics, physical activities like bull in the ring wrestling, etc. then practicing their Latin and serving at the altar (because in the latin Mass there are many different things that are going on that each boy according to rank of acolyte performs at the altar).
But these old Traditions help boys think about religious vocations, which is or at least should be the goal that we would want as Catholic fathers.
Dave
Indeed, also, it’s just a jarring break from Tradition. Not just Christian, under Judaism too. The SONS of Aaron were trained in the Temple ritual.
When I was a kid (I’m 31) I went to a Catholic School, there were no female altar boys. However, the whole choir were girls, there are other things for them to do then be in the sanctuary. It also sounded lovely.
As it is good, that there are people who understand a problem!!!! When boys serve at an altar they can be called the God for service of the priest… And when at an altar the girl it is awful and ugly….
“Women then will suit to an altar when men will start to give birth to children” – bishop Williamsaon FSSPX )))
“How the heck are they ever going to phase them out on a parish level? Very difficult indeed. Once people feel entitled to something, taking it away it going to be a headache!”
I have seen it done.
First you quit using servers for a short period, then you start using some adult men as servers, than you start using their sons.
Really it is kind of similar to how girls were introduced…We are the same age… When I was 12 we started having female “processional cross bearers”… Two altar boys and one girl who was supposed to just be carrying in the processional cross. (“She’s not a server, boys, but girls deserve a chance to ‘participate’ [THAT WORD!] too, so we are going to let them carry the processional cross. You guys will still be assisting at the altar!”) So we went from having two altar boys, to two boys and a “cross bearer”
That was the year we went from cassocks and surplices to polyster albs with ratty cinctures…
Within two years, there was no distinction, three girls would serve. We all wore the same ratty polyester white albs…
When my 8 year old sister signed up, I quit, and never looked back.
Say do you have any ack story on the young lads with the cassocks, roman collars and saturnos?
No, just that it was in Italy in the 1930′s. I believe a minor seminary.
I have a current picture taken this past year that I will post on my blog. Its from an SSPX chapel that has events to train our young boys for the priesthood.
Dave
It is very good, that boys are trained!
Part of the “sell” on female altar servers was that it would do for vocations to womens’ orders what having young men serve at Mass did for the priesthood and mens’ orders. More than a decade later, have we seen any fruit?
its a known fact, want to make a man lose interest in something… get women involved.
not only has the gender changed, but the over all presentation of the youth. Sloppy robes, lazy attitudes etc.
The pictures really do show how once being an altar server was considered a special honor… not anymore.
Since Vatican II every effort has been made to make the mass ‘ordinary’.
Why the picture of Cardinal O’Malley?
Those are confirmandi/confirmandae not altar servers.
You think so? I thought they were altar servers. Not an attack against him in particular mind you, the picture just matched the msg.
Sergius wrote, “And when at an altar the girl it is awful and ugly….”
Sergius your English may not be good but I take real offense at this. This is rude and uncalled for.
Just for the record – I am not for altar girls either but what you said is plain mean.
Odd, those outfits in the Cardinal O’Malley pictures are what all the altar servers wore at Mass in the town I lived in for a year.
Just follow the example of the popes. Even under the MC Archbishop P. Marini there were never altar girls at Saint Peters.
Someone once pointed out to me that the document which gave “permission” for altar girls, really used the word “mulieres” which means an adult women, not “puellae” which would be girls. I wonder how many priests who allow altar girls would change their tune if they found out they had to only let women serve. I would bet most would not want to have a grown woman at the altar. Because then would come the “I think you should do this … and I think you should do that …” since those who want to be at the altar already have their agendas.
Definitely Confirmation, Ken. Note that the cardinal is wearing a red chasuble. The boys are in red and the girls in white, usual practice in my neck of the woods (not far from Boston).
Yes, I speak in English very badly. But it to me does not prevent to be angry, when in Cologne girls in cassocks distributed a participle…
I have to dissagree with what has been said about girl servers.
Adam
It’s a novelty, it kills vocations, it’s an capitulation to the secular concept of “gender egalitarianism”.
What was the good purposes of it? Novelty? “Updating” the Faith?, i.e.: modernism? Any reason it was allowed besides cowardly bishops, and pastors??
Also: Catholicism is not = The Pope says it therefore it is. He is the servant of Tradition.
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ. He is to uphold Sacred Tradition, not some tradition some people like and others don’t.
The formation of boys into men, then into priest starts at home, not on the alter. How many Catholic parents go to see different collages with there kids in last few years of high school? How many go to visit a seminary with there kids? To say that girls as alter servers is leading to the down fall of the priesthood. Is giving a blind eye to the culture these boys are growing up in. Porn, drugs, and fame are the driving forces in there culture today. Girls serving is not even on the radar on the topic of whats hurting vocations.
Adam
“He is to uphold Sacred Tradition”. Right, you hit the nail on the head, Men/boys at the Altar IS a small part of Sacred Tradition. It does decrease vocations, as boys see serving at the altar as a “girl thing”, and won’t do it. It has no basis in Ecclesial Tradition. It’s not a matter of some people liking/disliking, it is against 2000 years of practice, and it serves no purpose.
It is another aquiescence to Secular Culture.
And if/when some future Pope allows liturgical dance, female deaconsesses, etc.. are we to bow down while he destroys, and subverts what always was?
Exteme Ultramontanism is not Catholicism.
Show me proof that the boy servers is a Sacred Tradition and not just a liturgical tradition.
A server is not an ordaned vocation. To compare that to the deacon’s that serve the Church is apples to oranges.
Liturgical dance is permited. In parts of Africa there is a type of liturgical dance.
“are we to bow down while he distroys, and subverts what always was?” If we beleve what the Church teaches about Mt 16:15-19 I don’t see how that could happen.
Having only boy servers would at best be a discipline which the Chuch can change. It’s no different then the discipline we have with celibate priest.
Adam
Read the Council of Nicea’s take on “ecclesial tradition”.
Ok I’ll get back with ya. I have to admit I’ve enjoyed this debate with you. God bless you!
Adam
Hey Adam,
A followup, I forgot I had something on my blog awhile ago about this: http://hallowedground.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/female-altar-boys/
Do you have a link with the Council. I’m having trouble finding it on new advent without reading every thing ever written.
Adam
Sorry Adam, it might not have been Nicea, I forgot which council it was.
Completly off topic. Ken you know where linden Nj is?
Yes I do Adam, Staten Island is right across from it.
Thats where my dad grew up. Every Summer growing up we’d go up to the Jersey shore.
It’s Ok over in Linden, lot of Oil refineries (think mostly Hess). I’ve been to Seaside Heights a few times, but my roots are more in Brooklyn/Queens, so I go to those beaches more often.
All the “guidos” out here (on Staten Island) go to the Jersey Shore to bar-hop every weekend in the summer, making it not a really nice place to be.
Our whole family got a house on the northern end of long beach Island this past summer. We were there the week those college kids got killed in Newark. That really got to me when I read about it.
Adam
Yeah, that’s become the “norm”. If it’s a considered a “girl thing” boys will run away.
Breeding vocations of boys who don’t like girls will simply continue the current crisis in the church.
Missing the point Katherine, do boys like to play “dollhouse” with girls? Young boys (all of them) have an aversion to what they see as “girl things”, it has nothing to do with their adult sexuality.