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November 14, 2007 by ken88

paulv1.jpg picture by kjk76_95

51512.jpg picture by kjk76_95

consecrationceremonyforArchbishopGi.jpg picture by kjk76_95

ArchbishopGiovanniBMontini.jpg picture by kjk76_95

ArchbishopGiovanniBMontini2.jpg picture by kjk76_95

(3 above are Episcopal Consecration of Msgr. Montini (Paul VI))

1960PopeJohnXXIIrevI.jpg picture by kjk76_95

JohnXXIIIseatedonthrone-1.jpg picture by kjk76_95

(2 above I believe are the opening of Vat2)

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on November 15, 2007 at 3:55 pm Jon

The more I read about Paul VI, the more frustrated I become. I just can’t understand why he did what he did. From all accounts, including Bugnini’s, his hand had to be forced to acquiescence when it came to the Liturgy.

I hope one day a native English speaker writes a real biography of the man. I so very much want to understand.
on November 15, 2007 at 7:24 pm Jackie

Love the pictures as ever…
on November 15, 2007 at 10:30 pm ken88

Jon: He really was a strange man. He kind of let things get carried away. Sometimes, he defended things: I.E. because of him the ancient Roman Canon was preserved as Eucharistic Prayer #1 in the new rite. They wanted to get rid of it entirely!

Jackie: Thank you.
on November 16, 2007 at 1:50 am Allen

Paul VI’s tiara reminds me of a bomb. Is it the one he dropped on the world in the form of the new Mass?
on November 16, 2007 at 2:44 am Anonymous

Montini really did not have much aesthetic taste, which was more evident during the later years of his pontificate. His obssession with simplicity (plainess atcually) and ugly modern arts is beyond comprehension.
on November 16, 2007 at 2:56 am ken88

Anon: By the end of his Pontificate he was wearing stuff like you see now. He set the modern priest “look”.
on November 16, 2007 at 1:07 pm latinmass1983

Well, he *had* to keep the Roman Canon. It is the oldest Eucharistic Prayer (Anaphona) in East and West… and it was the only thing that was part of the “primitive liturgy” people talked about in those days. Other stuff they “restored” were not really restorations, were just part of the Mass at a later period, wwere combinations with something else or just something borrowed from Eastern practices.

When you think about it, the Tiara was the first thing that was modern (at his coronation). If you look at the pictures (and the video – there’s one, but I haven’t found it, yet!), everything is traditional (except that he opted not to wear the “falda” and be crowned on the piazza and not on the loggia).

The Tiara given to John Paul II (I hear it was a gift from the people of Hungary, but, of course, it was never worn and it was not that public) seems to have been made a little like the one Paul VI wore, but a little more ornate, not as heavy, and in a way, a little more traditional.

Ken, maybe you have a picture of this tiara…
on November 16, 2007 at 2:58 pm ken88

No, I did not even know it existed. I will look for it.
on November 16, 2007 at 3:39 pm latinmass1983

Ken,

I have it… but how do I post it here?
on November 16, 2007 at 4:08 pm ken88

Hey Ed,

Email it to me
on November 19, 2007 at 3:26 am John Mastai

Tisserant = badass

Is there any kind of biography of Cardinal Tisserant?

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