One Marini for Another? Pope Rumoured to replace M.C. Marini, for another guy named…..Marini. Can’t be worse than the one who would dress in Pope in this: Puke-Green vestments, and, oh yes, the famous “Precious Klingon butt-crack Mitre of Pope Pius the non-existent”
Oh, and the recent Austria thing:
Tie-Dye, on a Pope!
I swear, it’s like his job was to make the Pope look silly. Also from WDTPRS: “Apparently, the Austrians wanted the Holy Father to wear Baroque vestments.
They were overidden by His Excellency the current Master of Pontifical Ceremonies, Most Rev. Piero Marini.”
Obviously the Pope’s dresser thought that the Pope was going to Carnaval. Ugly vestments.
Well, to be fair to Archb. Marini, the Pope cannot be forced to wear something he does not really like. If he allows himself to be forced to wear something that is, not only “grotesque,” but also very anti-liturgical (it goes against the (few) rubrics of the New Order) the one to be blamed and criticized should not be only Marini – the Pope too.
He knows he is the Pope and should behave like one at every moment. For the Papal Liturgy, what the Pope says goes. It was like this before and it should be like that now. He is not less of a Pope than Pius IX and Pius XII were… and he knows that!
I am happy to see I wasn’t the only one who noticed how goofy the outfits were, especially when compared with the formal tradition of somberness, majesty, and beauty so well portrayed by so many of your papal photos.
Marini est mort, vive Marini!
PS
Your blog is great, especially photos. Where did you find them all?
Yeah LatinMass, unfortunatly, you are correct, he probably has to give the ok to these vestmetns. I don’t know why he allows them, I would have loved to see him in a Baroque fiddleback Chasuble in Austria. (I figured since Austria is so “Baroque” that’s what we would have seen). Maybe if/when he publicly offers the TLM (I hope) he will wear the Trad vestments.
**By the way Eddie, Thank you and the Altar servers at our parish for the fine dignified job you guys do every week. Mgsr. Dante would be proud!**
Mogrim: I just collect pics all over the internet/some scanned books, and share my vision of Catholicism.
Ken,
Actually, it’s Eddy (with a -y).
[Those named Freddie (-dy), Eddy (-ie), Valery (-ie), etc... go through this mini-martyrdom very frequently... 
But that's O.K. - at least, they sound the same!].
One thing that we can think about – just to give some credit to the Pope – is that he might just be pleasing Marini because his days as Papal M.C. are coming to end. We do know that the Pope has worn fiddlebacks (when he was Cardinal, Bishop and Priest).
Also, this could be a technique to distract those Motu Proprio-hating liberals who will see an even greater danger in the Pope wearing truly Roman vestments than in the release of Motu Proprio. (We all know that the tiara would eventually be the death blow -I rather call it the “golden touch”).
Anyway, until he decides to use better liturgical vestments, we can just visit your blog and look at pictures of Pius XII saying Mass. Only for that, this blog has served an excellent purpose!!!
Thank you Eddy.
I liked the blue vestements when they appeared on the cover of the New York Times. But I don’t know how often blue is used as a liturgical color.
During Advent, in Europe, they use blue. I love the color.
Green is for our time of year, and I love the mint green. The yellow green, however, is a bilous color,no matter how fashionable it is.
I was a young woman in the seventies when everyone used avocadeo green and harvest gold in their decor. Eeeech! I remember fashion’s bad taste.
Still, most German people have a high degree if carotene in their skin. If Joseph Ratzinger looks good in his ivory soutane, then he should look good in gross colors like yellow green. I know my husband does.
I pity the poor slavic popes like JP2 and St.Pius X, who had pretty pink- and -white complexions, but looked so bad in ivory!
Blue is not a Liturgical color.
St. Pius X was an Italian.
Benedict does look good in white, I also think the matching hair color makes him look a natural.
I thought that miters in colors like blue or green were not regulation.
Well, Ken, I agree — these vestments shown are, well, a little too much. Contemporary vestments are okay, even nice, as long as they’re tastefully colored and decorated– but what the Pope was dressed in, I’m not feeling it…
Al: Colored Mitres, to me anyway, seem …Anglican.
Have you ever thought that maybe Pope Benedict is wearing garb that is actually more inclusive of non-western traditions, of places where colors tend to be much clearer and brighter?
Maybe, just maybe, he is trying to show a universal spirit in his dress, instead of catering only to a bunch of “has been” European derived atheists whose main concern about religion is that everything is done their own way.
What? The liturgical vestments are set by the Church, with a symbolism attached to each. The Pope has not the Authority to change it. It’s called Tradition, and no man is above it.
Question:”non-western traditions, of places where colors tend to be much clearer and brighter?”
Answer: Austria?
Well, maybe what he chose was within the boundaries of what the Church allows. Consider that. And . . . maybe some people interpret in ways which are slightly different.
How Catholic is Austria anymore?
Anyway, the pope is coming from Italy, near the Mediterranean. Italy faces Africa. They like bright colors.
Marini, and the bishops, starting with JP II made the Papacy look silly with the crap thay put them in. Look at those above pictures, they flat out look stupid.
As far as subjectivsm, I thought B16 was fighting against it (Thank God).
“How Catholic is Austria anymore? ”
Answer: Good question, considering the “new springtime” talk. Maybe if we gave people un-cut Catholicism, instead of ever-changing innovation with a “Religious sheen”, they might actually practice it.
“Italy faces Africa. They like bright colors”
Answer: Heck, why not Zebra skins?
Hey, I have a mock zebra skin jacket, and love it—got it on the clearance rack too, which made it doubly fun.
My point is this: Catholics are not called to be overly legalistic. You can like or dislike his garments. That is entirely within your rights. However, why should our beloved pope be disregarded for what he says, profoundly, succinctly, about Church teaching, just because someone didn’t like what he had on that day?
Isn’t that the ultimate in subjectivity?
Who disagrees with the Church’s teaching, or diregarded anything he said?
This is to uphold the dignity of the Church, and Papacy in the eyes of people. Not legalism, nor dissent.
Well, it is your blog, and you have every right to do as you please. It is part of the American way, certainly, that love of freedom of speech.
Yet, in my personal opinion, your post is breeding disrespect for our beloved Holy Father. To speak so of his garments in private would be a better option.
One of the problems with humankind is that one thing leads to another, which is why we should always be on guard in what we say about others.
However, I too, trespass in these areas, and so … you are forgiven by me.
God bless, and have a great day …. evening? night?
“your post is breeding disrespect for our beloved Holy Father”.
Mary, I am trying to defend the Holy Father from being made to look like this. This is not a slap against him, remember the post is about Marini, and how he dressed B16. I think Benedict is the best pope we have has in a long time, and I am defending him.
What an uplifting remark about Pope Benedict that you gave!
However, one would have to concede that the Holy Father himself has given the go-ahead for the robes that he is wearing, meaning that he did put them on. He could have refused.
I do see your what your point is. You abhor the designer’s flair. Maybe you should have shown them without the pope in them, as if in a catalog or something. Then everyone could “choose” which ones they liked the best, ha.
I think I have seen priests offer the Traditional Latin Mass in blue vestments. I also read in The Celebration of the Mass by O’Connell that blue could only be used in places with an indult for Marian Masses. Perhaps this was the case? Maybe the color indult extended to the Ordinary Form of the Mass? He did visit a Marian Shrine afterall.
Also, if the people wanted to give him baroque vestments but Marini refused, don’t you think the Pope might not have been aware of it? I think lots of little things happen without the Pope’s knowledge.
I personally have never seen blus vestments. To me the problem was not the color blue in itself, but the “look”. The blue thing he was wearing has some sort of tie-dye “modern art” look to it.
I also think the Pope does not get involved with his vestments, I think they are just prepared for him, and he wears them. I don’t think he would (out of charity) reproach his Papal MC.
I am going to catch hell for saying this… but the green vestment first pictured, well, believe it or not, I don’t actually totally hate it…
The mitre? Yes. The rest of the vestments pictured? YES.
No Hell to catch, it’s your opinion. (I respectfully disagree)